Do Not Miss this Rare Multi-Family Opportunity, a Main House, with 2 In-Laws to generate Monthly Passive Income. This Custom Home includes a high-end, functional residential kitchen designed to mimic a professional culinary space, with featuring premium appliances, with 2 High-End side by Side Refrigerators and 2 Dishwashers, Large cooking islands with expansive durable countertops, 4 Card Garage. And the attached 2 Bedroom In-Law Unit offers Open Concept Family Room and Dining Room with Built-in Washer & Dryer. Also a Detached Studio. This Custom House was rebuilt in 2017 with Sound Proof Walls, Plenty of Recess Light and Ceiling Speakers Conveniently located near all shopping, easy freeway access. Big size Lot. Needs some TLC.
- MLS# 41128585
- Date Listed04/16/2026
- Days on Realty 90 Days
- Bedrooms 6
- Bathrooms 4 Full baths
- Lot Size 0.28 acres (12,000 sq. ft)
- Sewer Public Sewer
- Subdivision Crow Canyon
- Property Type Single Family
- County Contra Costa
- Year Built 1978
- Water Public
- Square Feet 3,770 sq. ft
- Price Per Sq. Ft $476.13
Interior Features
- Appliances Dryer, Dishwasher, Microwave, Oven, Refrigerator, Washer
- Flooring Hardwood, Laminate
- Cooling Central Air
- Heating Forced Air, Zoned
Exterior / Lot Features
- Roof Composition
- Lot Size Acres 0.28
- Lot Size SQFT 12,000.00
- Lot Features Level
Directions
San Ramon Valley Blvd to Norris Canyon Rd..
Financial Considerations
Schools near 94583
Explore the local neighborhood highlights and top-rated schools near 94583 in San Ramon, CA.
Nearby Schools
Source: School Digger
Public • PK - 5 • Serves this home
2.11 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8 • Serves this home
1.39 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12 • Serves this home
2.95 mi
Distance
Public • PK - 5 • Serves this home
2.11 mi
Distance
Public • PK - 5
2.39 mi
Distance
Public • PK - 5
3.59 mi
Distance
Coyote Creek Elementary School
Public • PK - 5
3.9 mi
Distance
John Baldwin Elementary School
Public • PK - 5
4.03 mi
Distance
Public • PK - PK
4.03 mi
Distance
Public • PK - 5
5.33 mi
Distance
Public • PK - 5
5.44 mi
Distance
Green Valley Elementary School
Public • PK - 5
6.03 mi
Distance
Vista Grande Elementary School
Public • PK - 5
6.11 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8 • Serves this home
1.39 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
3.03 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
4.21 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
5.35 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
5.7 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
6.84 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
7.03 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
7.53 mi
Distance
York Alternative Learning Center
Public • 4 - 12
7.53 mi
Distance
Public • 6 - 8
7.61 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12 • Serves this home
2.95 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12
6.14 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12
6.25 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12
6.55 mi
Distance
Del Amigo High (continuation) School
Public • 10 - 12
6.55 mi
Distance
Public • 9 - 12
7.03 mi
Distance
Valley High (continuation) School
Public • 9 - 12
7.53 mi
Distance
Private • 03 - 12
1.04 mi
Distance
Private • 06 - 12
6.41 mi
Distance
Private • PK - 12
7.13 mi
Distance
Private • KG - 12
7.6 mi
Distance
Sales & Tax History
Source: Public Records
| Street Address | Beds | Baths | Sold Date | List Price | Valuation Date | Valuation Price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2505 Wildhorse Drive | Listing | 4 | 2 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,188,888 | Feb 23, 2024 | $1,591,500 |
| 319 La Paz Ct | 3 | 3 | Jun 25, 2026 | $789,000 | Jul 15, 2026 | - |
| 715 Fountainhead Ct | 4 | 3 | Jun 25, 2026 | $925,000 | Jul 15, 2026 | - |
| 480 Blanco Ct | Listing | 3 | 3 | Jun 29, 2026 | $839,000 | Feb 23, 2024 | $1,165,750 |
| 514 Cartagena Lane | Listing | 4 | 3 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,275,000 | Feb 23, 2024 | $1,879,750 |
| - | 4 | 3 | Jun 29, 2026 | $1,275,000 | Jul 15, 2026 | - |
| 2576 Toltec Circle | Listing | 4 | 3 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,699,000 | Jun 25, 2024 | $1,909,000 |
| 2469 Talavera Drive | Listing | 4 | 2 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,495,950 | Feb 23, 2024 | $1,290,860 |
| 537 Santander Drive | Listing | 4 | 2 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,754,000 | Jun 25, 2024 | $1,848,338 |
| 2755 Marsh Drive | Listing | 3 | 2 | Jun 19, 2026 | $1,398,000 | Jun 17, 2024 | $1,926,000 |
Local Neighborhood Highlights for 94583
Discover key demographics, population statistics, and environmental insights for the San Ramon, CA area.
Population & Environment
Source: Sperling's Best Places
| Zip | City | County | National | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Population | 36,747 | 82,987 | 1,152,598 | 335,858,263 |
| Population Density | 1,629 | 4,235 | 1,610 | 95 |
| People per Household | 2.7 | 2.8 | 2.8 | 2.6 |
| Median Age | 42.3 | 40.7 | 40.6 | 39.1 |
| Median Income | $160,546 | $164,991 | $104,754 | $66,222 |
| Average Income | $69,047 | $69,700 | $50,851 | $35,475 |
| Cost of Living Index | 144 | 147 | 133 | 100 |
| Zip | City | County | National | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| January Avg. High Temp | 39.3°F | 39.3°F | 39.14°F | 22.6°F |
| July Avg. High Temp | 85.2°F | 85.2°F | 85.89°F | 86.2°F |
| Annual Precipitation | 23.96" | 23.96" | 22.59" | 38" |
59/100
Somewhat Walkable
Walk Score ®
0/100
Minimal Transit
Transit Score ®
47/100
Bikable
Bike Score ®
Overview
Some errands can be accomplished on foot. It is possible to get on a bus. Minimal bike infrastructure.
Walkability averages in the surrounding area
The average walkability score in the surrounding area is Walk Score: 18/100, Transit Score: 0/100, Bike Score: 21/100.
Property Change History
View Changes
Previous Description:
Updated Description:
View Changes
Previous Description:
Updated Description:
Points of Interest near 3784 Norris Canyon Rd, San Ramon, CA 94583
1003 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
0.2 mi
Distance
0.21 mi
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
0.2 mi
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
950 ft
Distance
950 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
0.26 mi
Distance
0.26 mi
Distance
950 ft
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
0.2 mi
Distance
634 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
1003 ft
Distance
0.21 mi
Distance
0.24 mi
Distance
0.25 mi
Distance
Nearby Properties
-
$1,795,000 Active6 bds • 5 ba • 3,770 sqft
3784 Norris Canyon Rd, San Ramon, CA 94583
Do Not Miss this Rare Multi-Family Opportunity, a Main House, with 2 In-Laws to generate Monthly Passive Income. This Custom Home includes a high-end, functional residential kitchen designed to mimic a professional culinary space, with featuring prem...Listing by: Mario Pashai - First Capital Investments & Financial -
$1,795,000 Active6 bds • 5 ba • 3,770 sqft
3784 Norris Canyon Rd, San Ramon, CA 94583
Do Not Miss this Rare Multi-Family Opportunity, a Main House, with 2 In-Laws to generate Monthly Passive Income. This Custom Home includes a high-end, functional residential kitchen designed to mimic a professional culinary space, with featuring prem...Listing by: Mario Pashai - First Capital Investments & Financial -
$1,688,000 Active4 bds • 6 ba • 3,851 sqft
290 Waterside Pl, Bethel Island, CA 94511
Wake up each morning to one of the most breathtaking water views in the entire neighborhood, where sunlight shimmers across the Delta and every evening feels like a private front-row seat to nature’s show. This beautifully upgraded home features over...Listing by: Scott Mostoller - eXp Realty of Northern CA, Inc -
$1,688,000 Active4 bds • 6 ba • 3,851 sqft
290 Waterside Pl, Bethel Island, CA 94511
Wake up each morning to one of the most breathtaking water views in the entire neighborhood, where sunlight shimmers across the Delta and every evening feels like a private front-row seat to nature’s show. This beautifully upgraded home features over...Listing by: Scott Mostoller - eXp Realty of Northern CA, Inc -
$1,688,000 Active4 bds • 6 ba • 3,851 sqft
290 Waterside Pl, Bethel Island, CA 94511
Wake up each morning to one of the most breathtaking water views in the entire neighborhood, where sunlight shimmers across the Delta and every evening feels like a private front-row seat to nature’s show. This beautifully upgraded home features over...Listing by: Scott Mostoller - eXp Realty of Northern CA, Inc -
$1,899,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,681 sqft
471 El Rio, Danville, CA 94526
Newly reduced to $1,899,000 — an incredible opportunity and exceptional value for a custom-built home on nearly half an acre in a sought-after setting. This is a rare chance to own a truly special property with timeless character, quality craftsmansh...Listing by: Khrista Jarvis - Coldwell Banker Realty -
$1,899,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,681 sqft
471 El Rio, Danville, CA 94526
Newly reduced to $1,899,000 — an incredible opportunity and exceptional value for a custom-built home on nearly half an acre in a sought-after setting. This is a rare chance to own a truly special property with timeless character, quality craftsmansh...Listing by: Khrista Jarvis - Coldwell Banker Realty -
$1,899,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,681 sqft
471 El Rio, Danville, CA 94526
Newly reduced to $1,899,000 — an incredible opportunity and exceptional value for a custom-built home on nearly half an acre in a sought-after setting. This is a rare chance to own a truly special property with timeless character, quality craftsmansh...Listing by: Khrista Jarvis - Coldwell Banker Realty -
$1,849,880 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
209 Walnut Creek Ct, Danville, CA 94506
Wonderful court location in popular Shadow Creek! All new paint inside and out a few years ago, new flooring, and a very private backyard with custom pavers and a new stone retaining wall. Open and light floor plan with soaring high ceilings and larg...Listing by: Lisa Doyle - Christie's Intl RE Sereno -
$1,849,880 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
209 Walnut Creek Ct, Danville, CA 94506
Wonderful court location in popular Shadow Creek! All new paint inside and out a few years ago, new flooring, and a very private backyard with custom pavers and a new stone retaining wall. Open and light floor plan with soaring high ceilings and larg...Listing by: Lisa Doyle - Christie's Intl RE Sereno -
$1,849,880 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
209 Walnut Creek Ct, Danville, CA 94506
Wonderful court location in popular Shadow Creek! All new paint inside and out a few years ago, new flooring, and a very private backyard with custom pavers and a new stone retaining wall. Open and light floor plan with soaring high ceilings and larg...Listing by: Lisa Doyle - Christie's Intl RE Sereno -
$1,875,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
612 Clear Lake St, Danville, CA 94506
Nestled in one of Shadow Creek's most desirable locations, this beautifully maintained residence features the highly sought-after La Paloma floor plan, thoughtfully designed by renowned East Bay builder Carl Dame, whose homes are celebrated for their...Listing by: Michelle Torretta - The Agency -
$1,875,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
612 Clear Lake St, Danville, CA 94506
Nestled in one of Shadow Creek's most desirable locations, this beautifully maintained residence features the highly sought-after La Paloma floor plan, thoughtfully designed by renowned East Bay builder Carl Dame, whose homes are celebrated for their...Listing by: Michelle Torretta - The Agency -
$1,875,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
612 Clear Lake St, Danville, CA 94506
Nestled in one of Shadow Creek's most desirable locations, this beautifully maintained residence features the highly sought-after La Paloma floor plan, thoughtfully designed by renowned East Bay builder Carl Dame, whose homes are celebrated for their...Listing by: Michelle Torretta - The Agency -
$1,799,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,278 sqft
3551 Shadow Creek Dr, Danville, CA 94506
Welcome to Shadow Creek! Spanning 3,278 square feet, this beautifully refreshed 4-bedroom, 3-bathroom residence offers a sophisticated blend of substantial living space, sustainable features, and modern style. The interior has been thoughtfully opene...Listing by: Amanda McDonell - Compass -
$1,799,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,278 sqft
3551 Shadow Creek Dr, Danville, CA 94506
Welcome to Shadow Creek! Spanning 3,278 square feet, this beautifully refreshed 4-bedroom, 3-bathroom residence offers a sophisticated blend of substantial living space, sustainable features, and modern style. The interior has been thoughtfully opene...Listing by: Amanda McDonell - Compass -
$1,799,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,278 sqft
3551 Shadow Creek Dr, Danville, CA 94506
Welcome to Shadow Creek! Spanning 3,278 square feet, this beautifully refreshed 4-bedroom, 3-bathroom residence offers a sophisticated blend of substantial living space, sustainable features, and modern style. The interior has been thoughtfully opene...Listing by: Amanda McDonell - Compass -
$1,999,888 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
3385 Green Meadow Dr, Danville, CA 94506
OPEN HOUSE SAT., 7/11 1:00-4:00. Rare opportunity to own a home on a .26-ACRE FLAT, CORNER LOT with ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES, including ROOM FOR A POOL AND ADU (subject to county and HOA approval). The private backyard offers incredible potential to cre...Listing by: Kay Sherwood - Notable Real Estate -
$1,999,888 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 3,281 sqft
3385 Green Meadow Dr, Danville, CA 94506
OPEN HOUSE SAT., 7/11 1:00-4:00. Rare opportunity to own a home on a .26-ACRE FLAT, CORNER LOT with ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES, including ROOM FOR A POOL AND ADU (subject to county and HOA approval). The private backyard offers incredible potential to cre...Listing by: Kay Sherwood - Notable Real Estate
Similar Priced Comparison
-
$1,795,000 Active6 bds • 5 ba • 3770 sqft
3784 Norris Canyon Rd
- Same size
- Same size
- Same age
Listing by: Mario Pashai - First Capital Investments & Financial -
$1,795,000 Active6 bds • 5 ba • 3770 sqft
3784 Norris Canyon Rd
- Same size
- Same size
- Same age
Listing by: Mario Pashai - First Capital Investments & Financial -
$1,375,000 Active4 bds • 2 ba • 1652 sqft
2785 Canyon Creek Drive
- Home smaller by 2,118 sqft
- Lot smaller by 3,998 sqft
- Older by 8 years
Listing by: Captain Nijjar - Real Brokerage Technologies -
$1,728,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 2235 sqft
207 Bisque Court
- Home smaller by 1,535 sqft
- Lot smaller by 9,313 sqft
- Newer by 46 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,728,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 2235 sqft
207 Bisque Court
- Home smaller by 1,535 sqft
- Lot smaller by 9,012 sqft
- Newer by 46 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,728,000 Active4 bds • 3 ba • 2235 sqft
207 Bisque Court
- Home smaller by 1,535 sqft
- Lot smaller by 9,012 sqft
- Newer by 46 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,398,000 Active3 bds • 3 ba • 2044 sqft
6002 Sunglow Terrace
- Home smaller by 1,726 sqft
- Lot smaller by 9,541 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,398,000 Active3 bds • 3 ba • 2044 sqft
6002 Sunglow Terrace
- Home smaller by 1,726 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,066 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,468,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2092 sqft
1007 Rojo Terrace
- Home smaller by 1,678 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,049 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,468,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2092 sqft
1007 Rojo Terrace
- Home smaller by 1,678 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,066 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,468,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2092 sqft
1007 Rojo Terrace
- Home smaller by 1,678 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,049 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,848,000 Active4 bds • 2 ba • 2202 sqft
2448 Camino De Jugar
- Home smaller by 1,568 sqft
- Lot larger by 2,950 sqft
- Older by 4 years
Listing by: Kyu Il Hong - Legacy Real Estate & Associates -
$1,848,000 Active4 bds • 2 ba • 2202 sqft
2448 Camino De Jugar
- Home smaller by 1,568 sqft
- Lot larger by 2,950 sqft
- Older by 4 years
Listing by: Kyu Il Hong - Legacy Real Estate & Associates -
$1,848,000 Active4 bds • 2 ba • 2202 sqft
2448 Camino De Jugar
- Home smaller by 1,568 sqft
- Lot larger by 2,950 sqft
- Older by 4 years
Listing by: Kyu Il Hong - Legacy Real Estate & Associates -
$1,458,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2176 sqft
536 Khaki Court
- Home smaller by 1,594 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,110 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,458,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2176 sqft
536 Khaki Court
- Home smaller by 1,594 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,110 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,458,000 Active4 bds • 4 ba • 2176 sqft
536 Khaki Court
- Home smaller by 1,594 sqft
- Lot smaller by 10,345 sqft
- Newer by 48 years
Listing by: Diana Cabanova - Summerhill Brokerage, Inc. -
$1,674,999 Active5 bds • 3 ba • 2060 sqft
2762 Derby Dr
- Home smaller by 1,710 sqft
- Lot smaller by 2,172 sqft
- Newer by 7 years
Listing by: Anthony Arsondi - Keller Williams Tri-Valley -
$1,674,999 Active5 bds • 3 ba • 2060 sqft
2762 Derby Dr
- Home smaller by 1,710 sqft
- Lot smaller by 2,172 sqft
- Newer by 7 years
Listing by: Anthony Arsondi - Keller Williams Tri-Valley
Nearby Locations
Communities
- El Pintado Homes For Sale
- Twin Creek Homes For Sale
- Crow Canyon Homes For Sale
- Diablo Country Club Homes For Sale
- Round Hill Country Club Homes For Sale
- Vista Pointe Homes For Sale
- Norris Canyon Homes For Sale
- West Side Alamo Homes For Sale
- Northridge Homes For Sale
- Rancho Solano Homes For Sale
- Montevideo Homes For Sale
- San Ramon Heights Homes For Sale
- Somerset Homes For Sale
- Tassajara Ranch Homes For Sale
- Gale Ranch Homes For Sale
- Sterling Ridge Homes For Sale
- Rossmor Homes For Sale
- San Ramon Village Homes For Sale
- Blackhawk Country Club Homes For Sale
- Northgate Homes For Sale
Nearby Zips
- 94526 Homes For Sale
- 94583 Homes For Sale
- 94507 Homes For Sale
- 94528 Homes For Sale
- 94582 Homes For Sale
- 94598 Homes For Sale
- 94506 Homes For Sale
- 94596 Homes For Sale
- 94552 Homes For Sale
- 94595 Homes For Sale
- 94556 Homes For Sale
- 94546 Homes For Sale
- 94568 Homes For Sale
- 94588 Homes For Sale
- 94597 Homes For Sale
- 94542 Homes For Sale
- 94517 Homes For Sale
- 94518 Homes For Sale
- 94541 Homes For Sale
- 94605 Homes For Sale
Nearby Cities
- Danville, CA Homes for Sale
- Norris Canyon, CA Homes for Sale
- Alamo, CA Homes for Sale
- Diablo, CA Homes for Sale
- San Ramon, CA Homes for Sale
- San Miguel, CA Homes for Sale
- Blackhawk, CA Homes for Sale
- North Gate, CA Homes for Sale
- Walnut Creek, CA Homes for Sale
- Castro Valley, CA Homes for Sale
- Camino Tassajara, CA Homes for Sale
- Moraga, CA Homes for Sale
- Fairview, CA Homes for Sale
- Dublin, CA Homes for Sale
- Tassajara, CA Homes for Sale
- Lafayette, CA Homes for Sale
- Clayton, CA Homes for Sale
- Ashland, CA Homes for Sale
- Cherryland, CA Homes for Sale
- Pleasant Hill, CA Homes for Sale
Similar Searches
- San Ramon Land for Sale
- San Ramon New Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Single Story Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Homes with Pools for Sale
- San Ramon Cheap Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Luxury Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Condos for Sale
- San Ramon Town Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Commercial for Sale
- San Ramon Open Houses for Sale
- San Ramon Two Car Garage Homes for Sale
- San Ramon Large Lots for Sale
- National Listings
- National Home Values
- Properties in CA
- Home Values in CA
- Other properties in Contra Costa, CA
- Other properties in 94583, CA
- Home Values in San Ramon, CA
Frequently Asked Questions for 3784 Norris Canyon Rd
Source: Realty.com
3784 Norris Canyon Rd, San Ramon, CA 94583 in Crow Canyon, San Ramon, CA 94583 is a single family listed at $1,795,000. Highlights include 6 bedrooms, 5 bathrooms, 3,770 sq. ft., built in 1978, 0.28 acre lot, $476 per sq. ft.. Realty.com has 11 photos, sales history, school insights, and mortgage tools for this list...
Realty.com has 11 photos of 3784 Norris Canyon Rd.
Our records indicate that 3784 Norris Canyon Rd was built in 1978.
The full address for this home is 3784 Norris Canyon Rd, San Ramon, CA 94583.
3784 Norris Canyon Rd has been listed on Realty.com since Thu April 16, 2026
Some errands can be accomplished on foot. It is possible to get on a bus. Minimal bike infrastructure.
The average walkability score in the surrounding area is Walk Score: 18/100, Transit Score: 0/100, Bike Score: 21/100.
There are 3 schools assigned to this home. Check out the schools near 3784 Norris Canyon Rd. Greenbrook Elementary School (Grades: PK - 5), Iron Horse Middle School (Grades: 6 - 8), California High School (Grades: 9 - 12)
Listing provided courtesy of:
First Capital Investments & Financial
(tel: 510-290-4409)
Listing agent:
Mario Pashai
(tel: 510-290-4409)
(#206532234)
This content last refreshed on 2026-07-15 11:33:37. Some properties which appear for sale on this web site may subsequently have sold or may no longer be available.